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Topic: Failure to yield from a private drive?
Apprentice PosterJoined: Nov 2010Posts: 188
7/28/12 8:08:12 AM
Running a delivery late at night (about 12:30), I was pulled over soon after exiting the store, rather confusing since I wasn't speeding, taillights work, seatbelt's on, etc. Cop tells me I "failed to yield from a private drive" by "flying" (15-20MPH max, probably more like 10 merging out of a parking lot parallel to the street) out of our store's parking lot without stopping (no signage of any sort, nobody coming either way, unless I somehow pulled out in front of this cop and he didn't mention it, which I seriously doubt). I wasn't ticketed, so I don't really care (i.e. to avoid being harassed by cops with nothing better to do, I will stop before exiting the parking lot), but since when is one required to stop to yield, particularly when there's nothing to yield to? For what it's worth, I had no sign on the car, and in two years of driving in this town, this is the first time I've been pulled over on the clock.
Papa KenBoard NewbieJoined: May 2012Posts: 58
7/28/12 10:00:06 AM
It seems like you should stop prior to entering a public roadway from a private drive. That said, I don't slow down when exiting my store's parking lot unless there is traffic that would require me to slow or stop, and I've nnever had a problem. It would probably cost me at least 1 less delivery per shift plus some extra gas to stop every time I left the parking lot, so it would take a ticket or two to make me change.
Delivery TycoonJoined: Sep 2005Posts: 6843
7/28/12 4:44:05 PM
He didn't give you a Ticket because the CITY can't install Traffic Control Devices on Private Property. He can however, pull over dumbasses he thinks did something "dangerous"/stupid and have a talk with them about it. If you're wearing a Topper, you represent not only the Company you Pimp for or the 5000+/- members of this forum, but all those other Drivers out there that haven't yet found "US". Just don't embarrass the rest of us. Otherwise! Welcome nOOb!. EDIT: Until you can get pulled over. Open your door to get out, (without getting shot), showing the Cop a "Bud" Tallboy in your door-mounted cupholder and have him say, "Hell, Pie! If I'd known it was you I'd never turned on the lights." Or, when you get pulled over for no "Turn Signal", you can say to the COP. "I don't know where you came from, because I usually spot a Crown Vic a 1/2 mile away and there was no one within three blocks of me when I made that turn. Look at this odometer (437,000). If I used the turn signal, everytime I turned when no one was around, the switch or the whole steering column would have fallen out long before now." His reply, as he walked back to his cruiser. "Well, at least you aren't drinking." He had my address. If he'd come by a couple hours later, he could have busted me for "BUI". Bar-B-Queing Under-the-Influence". All I'm gonna say about that Steak N Taters is ... BuuurrrP!--"It isn't how fast you go, but how you go fast." Enzo Ferrari << last modified on 7/28/12 5:10:06 PM >>
Delivery JediJoined: Apr 2004Posts: 12,348
7/28/12 5:53:26 PM
I got busted on an OER for doing that. Not stopping or signaling out of the parking lot. Like you, there were no cars around.--We live in a political world. Where mercy walks the plank. ~Bob Dylan
Delivery SpecialistJoined: Jul 2006Posts: 3302
7/28/12 7:05:12 PM
VA state law requires that you stop and yield to any approaching vehicles when pulling out of a private driveway with no stop or yield sign if there are vehicles within 500 feet I think. Not doing so is considered reckless driving. << last modified on 7/28/12 7:06:16 PM >>
Delivery TycoonJoined: Aug 2006Posts: 5771
7/28/12 7:06:44 PM
I got pulled over a few weeks ago for rolling a right-on-red. It was after 10:00 PM, no one really around... I looked as I approached the intersection, and there was a car waaaay off to the left, so I went for it. I get about 1/8th of a mile down the road and glance at the mirror, to see a Crown Vic closing in, seemingly out of nowhere. I gotta get out of that habit. Most of my pull-overs are like this one, and go like: "Oh, you're delivering pizza? Lemme just run your info and I'll cut you loose." I'm never doing anything too awful egregiously wrong... The police like to see that you're working, and have insurance, and a valid license. They pull over a lot of people who aren't and don't. Plus I think that they respect the "responding to peoples' location after they call" nature of our work. And once you get older they treat you better.--Too many chiefs, not enough indica...© Drivaz4life.
Delivery SpecialistJoined: Jan 2006Posts: 3033
7/30/12 3:15:40 AM
Didn't happen to me but yesterday I was driving down a narrow road when someone pulled out of their driveway and expected me to either move over or stop for them which neither one was going to happen since I was on the road first and had the right of way.--To those who don't tip, FUCK YOU and don't waste my time with delivery
7/30/12 11:09:16 AM
When I took Drivers Ed way back when I was 16, the instructor said to imagine a stop sign at the end of every private drive. It's a stop sign, stupid, whether or not there is approaching traffic.--Tipping is the meaning of life.
Apprentice PosterJoined: Mar 2007Posts: 175
7/30/12 3:34:46 PM
IMO, the "technical" answer is going to depend on the laws in the OP's state. If they require only a yield, then his point about there being nothing to yield to seems like a pretty cogent one. Yielding, after all, basically means a stop is required IF proceeding without one would place yourself or other vehicles at risk. As far as the common-sensical answer: While I am not familiar with the actual location the OP is referring to, the notion of always making a full stop out of a private drive seems a bit overbroad. In my less-charitable moments, I'd probably even call it an example of the nannyish overkill that's coming to dominate our society. Now, I'm not a reckless a$$. There are many such places in our delivery area where I do make a full stop. Downtown alleyways and rural residential driveways come to mind -- the former due to older buildings with 90-degree corners and minimal lot setbacks, and the latter due to emerging onto high-speed county roads. But the point is that these situations feature direct reasons for "always assuming the worst" and making that full stop. A skilled driver with normally functioning senses and reasoning can be trusted to know which situations do and don't call for this response. If you literally have clear views in all relevant directions and you find that there is literally no one coming, a robotic "must always stop" rule starts to feel like just another infantilizing requirement designed to punish anyone who dares to consider himself competent enough to make a situational decision. (Those troublesome independent personalities, don't you know!) Same idea with arrow-only left turns on straight roads with 35 mph speed limits where you can see there's no oncoming traffic for half a mile...--Most of the world's problems arise from people who take shyt too seriously. Save a life -- mock something today!!!
Apprentice PosterJoined: Mar 2007Posts: 175
7/30/12 3:46:18 PM
doughslapper writes: << VA state law requires that you stop and yield to any approaching vehicles when pulling out of a private driveway with no stop or yield sign if there are vehicles within 500 feet I think. Not doing so is considered reckless driving. >>So applying this to your average city street: 30 mph = 44 feet per second, meaning the 500-foot relative distance between the two vehicles equates to about 11.4 seconds. And those are the numbers you'd use if the entering vehicle pulled into the street and then stopped dead. You mean to tell me that VA thinks it's not only ticketable, but rises to the level of reckless driving, to begin with a 10-second window instead?? Then again, this comes from the state that thinks 12 mph over is an "extreme speed" violation (analogous to 30-over or 100+ mph in other states). I could see that for 42 on a residential street, but 67 on a 55 freeway? In Chicago (and sometimes even Minneapolis), they'll tailgate you mercilessly for that in the right lane!!!!--Most of the world's problems arise from people who take shyt too seriously. Save a life -- mock something today!!!
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